"Watch" is an awful curious word to use for Mitch Jebb considering all that's being done is scouting the stat line and dumbly applying a preconceived narrative.
I mean, honestly, I couldn't begin to tell you what his strikeout rate is. Used my own two eyeballs to very easily see he has a much bigger swing and miss issue this year compared to last.
Maybe I worded it wrong but the 'makes you want to believe' part tells me I'm not actually applying the narrative, I'm saying that you 'could' if you wanted to. I don't buy it for someone like Jebb.
Even Termarr is going the other way more often this year than previous (sorry, had to use the stat line to figure that one out).
I don't know if your trolling or being willfully ignorant, but you won't find anyone here that is 'scouting the stat line'
"much bigger swing"? put 'em side by side and lets see.
Even still, Mitch Jebb logged some absurdly low average exit velo last year, like, under 80mph if I remember correctly. That's absolutely nowhere close to a big leaguer.
The Pirates *must* get more impact out of that bat. Boiling such a need down to a sophomoric "swinging for the fences" is just silly.
I also have no clue what Termarr going the other way has to do with this conversation.
I mean, we've been meaning to, actually. One of the first three Greensboro games, Murphy and I were discussing that we believe his swing appeared different. At least the setup appeared slightly less unorthodox.
And it is a little alarming, at least in the sense we're talking about a major college program (though Big 10 in baseball isn't exactly Big 10 in other sports) kid that had about as close to 0% swinging strike rate as possible added 10% to it. Not nearly the same as misgrading a prep kid (like Termarr). It's gotten better as the season has gone on, but seeing as contact was his major calling card, feel like he shouldn't have a near identical swinging strike rate as Hudson Head (Sorry, Murph. HH catching strays).
Now, it could come down to two things, really. A) the whole discussion that they're just terrible as identifying and acquiring good players that Jebb's contact falls apart in just High A (a rather highly rated draft prospect by other presumably smart guys). Or B) they're seeking specific tools believing they can impact others, such as his power, as even you mentioned his EV rates were yucky.
I've wanted to deeper dive into it, but I just don't have the time anymore. Cause, it's becoming a little more than just coincidental that they get all these high grade contact guys just happen to lose that ability with skyrocketing K rates. Brannigan is interesting, though K rates going up a bit, cause he'd be an example of the opposite. Siani maybe is just "third times the charm", or maybe their "process" working. If we want to bring up Suwinski, it feels like they almost want to get a guy on either complete end of the spectrum and make him "well rounded".
Either way, whatever they're truly doing, isn't really working.
Maybe we are just on different pages, have always thought the 'narrative' is the Pirates having the players sell out for more power and pull the ball more.
There are a lot of very young prospects making waves in the minors. This is great for the Pirates in the future. However, the Pirates currently have a very young team at the MLB level right now. What do we not have at the MLB Level? Starting Pitching (on the way in 2024), and a RH hitting CF, strong defensively, and who may be able to hit for power at the MLB level.
I started 2024 talking about Ceddanne Rafaela of Boston and Everson Pereira of the Yankees. Rafaela became the starting CF for the Red Sox and they signed him to a long term contract. Pereira was a $5 mil sign by the Yankees and is at AAA. He K's a lot, but hits for power and plays excellent D in CF. I'll add another - Alex Ramirez of the Mets who was signed for $2 mil is 21 and is now in AA doing well.
He could possibly be in AAA very soon. Our nearest good hitting CF with power is at least 2 to 3 years away. We paid $4 mil to get the dubious benefits of MAT for 2024?
I don't think Bubba would have went more then four or five innings on Sunday anyway if he would have started because I believe his pitch count hit 56 in his three innings. I was in the first base side field boxes so I couldn't see the ball movement but he struck out one guy with a change up at 90 and another with a couple of breaking pitches back to back at 82 and 83.
Agree with you regarding Head. He was part of one of BC's first trades sending Joe Musgrove to SD and so far, David Bednar and Endy Rodriguez are positives from that trade, but it was Head who was supposed to be the best of the bunch coming from SD. (Endy Rod came from the Mets as part of a 3 way trade) and the Pirates got a steal! Part of the reasoning for Endy being able to play 2B and 1B, as well as Catcher, was coming up behind Francisco Alvarez with the Mets.
Without fail, each time I see the name Drake Fellows, the :” that’s a funny looking dog” line from Bryan Fellows SNL sketch comes to mind, Robert K. will know what I’m talking about!
"Watch" is an awful curious word to use for Mitch Jebb considering all that's being done is scouting the stat line and dumbly applying a preconceived narrative.
I mean, honestly, I couldn't begin to tell you what his strikeout rate is. Used my own two eyeballs to very easily see he has a much bigger swing and miss issue this year compared to last.
Maybe I worded it wrong but the 'makes you want to believe' part tells me I'm not actually applying the narrative, I'm saying that you 'could' if you wanted to. I don't buy it for someone like Jebb.
Even Termarr is going the other way more often this year than previous (sorry, had to use the stat line to figure that one out).
I don't know if your trolling or being willfully ignorant, but you won't find anyone here that is 'scouting the stat line'
"much bigger swing"? put 'em side by side and lets see.
Even still, Mitch Jebb logged some absurdly low average exit velo last year, like, under 80mph if I remember correctly. That's absolutely nowhere close to a big leaguer.
The Pirates *must* get more impact out of that bat. Boiling such a need down to a sophomoric "swinging for the fences" is just silly.
I also have no clue what Termarr going the other way has to do with this conversation.
I mean, we've been meaning to, actually. One of the first three Greensboro games, Murphy and I were discussing that we believe his swing appeared different. At least the setup appeared slightly less unorthodox.
And it is a little alarming, at least in the sense we're talking about a major college program (though Big 10 in baseball isn't exactly Big 10 in other sports) kid that had about as close to 0% swinging strike rate as possible added 10% to it. Not nearly the same as misgrading a prep kid (like Termarr). It's gotten better as the season has gone on, but seeing as contact was his major calling card, feel like he shouldn't have a near identical swinging strike rate as Hudson Head (Sorry, Murph. HH catching strays).
Now, it could come down to two things, really. A) the whole discussion that they're just terrible as identifying and acquiring good players that Jebb's contact falls apart in just High A (a rather highly rated draft prospect by other presumably smart guys). Or B) they're seeking specific tools believing they can impact others, such as his power, as even you mentioned his EV rates were yucky.
I've wanted to deeper dive into it, but I just don't have the time anymore. Cause, it's becoming a little more than just coincidental that they get all these high grade contact guys just happen to lose that ability with skyrocketing K rates. Brannigan is interesting, though K rates going up a bit, cause he'd be an example of the opposite. Siani maybe is just "third times the charm", or maybe their "process" working. If we want to bring up Suwinski, it feels like they almost want to get a guy on either complete end of the spectrum and make him "well rounded".
Either way, whatever they're truly doing, isn't really working.
Maybe we are just on different pages, have always thought the 'narrative' is the Pirates having the players sell out for more power and pull the ball more.
'much bigger swing and miss.' Have to add that extra word there.
There are a lot of very young prospects making waves in the minors. This is great for the Pirates in the future. However, the Pirates currently have a very young team at the MLB level right now. What do we not have at the MLB Level? Starting Pitching (on the way in 2024), and a RH hitting CF, strong defensively, and who may be able to hit for power at the MLB level.
I started 2024 talking about Ceddanne Rafaela of Boston and Everson Pereira of the Yankees. Rafaela became the starting CF for the Red Sox and they signed him to a long term contract. Pereira was a $5 mil sign by the Yankees and is at AAA. He K's a lot, but hits for power and plays excellent D in CF. I'll add another - Alex Ramirez of the Mets who was signed for $2 mil is 21 and is now in AA doing well.
He could possibly be in AAA very soon. Our nearest good hitting CF with power is at least 2 to 3 years away. We paid $4 mil to get the dubious benefits of MAT for 2024?
I don't think Bubba would have went more then four or five innings on Sunday anyway if he would have started because I believe his pitch count hit 56 in his three innings. I was in the first base side field boxes so I couldn't see the ball movement but he struck out one guy with a change up at 90 and another with a couple of breaking pitches back to back at 82 and 83.
3 guys I'm keeping an eye on are Head, Siani and Peralta
The Siani/Head combo will break your heart……maybe I’m just jaded after picking them as breakout candidates in years past….
Agree with you regarding Head. He was part of one of BC's first trades sending Joe Musgrove to SD and so far, David Bednar and Endy Rodriguez are positives from that trade, but it was Head who was supposed to be the best of the bunch coming from SD. (Endy Rod came from the Mets as part of a 3 way trade) and the Pirates got a steal! Part of the reasoning for Endy being able to play 2B and 1B, as well as Catcher, was coming up behind Francisco Alvarez with the Mets.
Joey Luchesi and Drake Fellows
Without fail, each time I see the name Drake Fellows, the :” that’s a funny looking dog” line from Bryan Fellows SNL sketch comes to mind, Robert K. will know what I’m talking about!
My SNL days go all the way back to the Sandler/Farley days of Gay Schmidts, van down by the river and Chippendales.
I don't recall Bryan Fellows
Tracy Morgan as a zoologist (I think) and every animal he sees he calls it a funny looking dog.
A 20.1 K/9 is crazy.
Peralta’s always been very hard to hit, but the pitch counts alone were undermining him as a starter, let alone walks.
he gets the bb's under control; he could be a beast of a multi-inning guy. His brother is Freddy, no?
Yes, that's his brother. Luis is absolutely filthy, and nearly unhittable most of the time. But yeah, he's gotta get his control under control.