He was regarded well as a prospect, but got the separated shoulder five games into his ML career. His numbers, including MiL ones, went downhill after that. He got sent to AA this year. So you wonder whether he recovered well from the injury.
There is a good article by Mackey at the PG on how the Pirates revenue streams are changing. The net effect may be minimal, but they'll likely take a big hit in TV revenue, while hopefully balancing that by revenue from the new development of a "community space" around PNC. At the very least, there's a lot of uncertainty right now, which Mackey suggests may be a reason for their lack of activity on the FA market.
I’m not buying the TV revenue argument from the standpoint that they ran out a $100 MM payroll in 2016, which I believe was under the prior crappy TV contract they negotiated mere months before the massive TV contract spike. I’m well aware of their obvious market limitations, but Mackey’s writings makes the financial situation seem more dire than it likely is.
"One option is for the Pirates is to send their rights to Major League Baseball. Both the San Diego Padres and Arizona Diamondbacks did just that this season after the Diamond Sports Group went bankrupt earlier in the year.
If the Pirates chose this option, the league would handle the production, find the cable and satellite distribution and pay the team roughly 80% of the current rights fee.
According to John Ourand, the Pirates are also still considering cutting a deal with Fenway Sports Group to remain a regional sports network alongside the Penguins, though the previous option appears more likely at this time.
Since I can't think of one owner that would do the thing that is best for the fans under any circumstance and least of them all being Nutting we can expect the worse, lol.
Mackey says that he's since learned that the 80% figure was a one-time deal for this year only for the Padres and Diamondbacks. Instead, their new amount may be as low as half of what their contract had been paying.
The Mariners' GM also confirmed that they received a new budget this year as a result of local media revenues and that is one thing the prompted the trade with Atlanta.
Interesting that the link for Lopez also mentions that the Giants are excited about their other pick, Nick Garcia. Sabol, Garcia, Lopez...they seem to be impressed with Pirates' prospects, and maybe have a sense that we lack something in evaluating our own prospects (of course I'm not sure what it says about the Rockies that they'd leave Garcia unprotected after trading for him).
The Pirates have a loaded system and every team in MLB knows there are too many talented prospects to satisfy them all, therefore they will be making talented kids available for years to come.
Connor Joe returned roughly $15.2 mil of value (1.9 fWAR) to the Pirates for his performance in 2023 - excellent trade of Garcia to get Joe. Sabol was a good bat with footspeed, but was/is not a Catcher, even with the Giants. Joey Bart imploded again in 2023, and Sabol stepped in and got his chance - glad for him! And, Lopez suffered the injury. He had some good power at A+ in 2022, but was also striking out 5 times more than he walked.
I am starting to change my thinking on this. I used to think that the guys Huntington brought in, with Dellicarri at the head, were not very good: given their failures in the first round that coincided with the moment that Dellicarri took over the helm of amateur scouting. I am now thinking, when I read things like the Pirates being only 1 of 3 teams to zero in on Evan Carter, that it is not the raw scouting that is the problem for the Pirates in the draft. It is more at the summary level: i.e. whoever is doing the selecting and setting up the board.
I agree about the development. I have long felt that the Pirates should be seeking "driveline style" coaches, focused on the processes of hitting, fielding, and pitching with a track record of making good technical changes to delivery, grips, stance, swings, and so forth. Instead, they seem obsessed with "organizational philosophies" or whatever.
While I really liked Shelton's interview with Brian Kenny at the Winter Meetings, in an earlier interview I was not impressed with his statement about being most proud that they came in with a plan and have stuck to it. Of course it's only been four years, so maybe they shouldn't be ready to deviate from the original plan. But a lack of flexibility/adapting was what did Huntington and Hurdle in and I sometimes get the same vibe from Cherington and Shelton--they're just a little too sure of themselves.
On a positive note, I'm highly encouraged by their hiring of Sarah Gelles, which puts action behind their words that they need to do better. I don't think they would have hired her or that she would have taken the position if there wasn't an openness to change.
Yes about Gelles; but, saying they planned the first three years and stuck to that plan is more than I can handle - the guy's a buffoon! Hurdle always was the smartest man in the room and never hesitated letting everybody know it.
I am not so sure about the Gelles' hiring, and the reason that I am not so sure about this hire is directly related to your points above. Cherington came in with much trumpeting and fanfare that he was a developmental guru, less than an analytics or evaluation guy. He seems to share this assessment of himself since all of his major hires have all been in the direction of acquiring analytics and evaluation people. So, he seems quite confident that he can oversee the development program and that he only needs some analytic and evaluation help. I am just not convinced that he is the developmental guru that he is lauded for being and that the Pirates still lack sound direction in their player development.
man Seth Beer was an f HOSS in college. stoked for this. nuVogelbach
He was regarded well as a prospect, but got the separated shoulder five games into his ML career. His numbers, including MiL ones, went downhill after that. He got sent to AA this year. So you wonder whether he recovered well from the injury.
Relieved there are no major league rule 5 guys. You always feel obligated to keep them around, and its usually just a big hassle
announced that Triolo is not the starting first baseman and that he´d only play there from time to time
said their looking for a left handed first baseman with pop
I suppose Seth Beer is going to break camp with the Major League club
Ooooh whered you see this? Idk who is out there but maybe Belt is a decent option
Sources announced
last Mackey article
There is a good article by Mackey at the PG on how the Pirates revenue streams are changing. The net effect may be minimal, but they'll likely take a big hit in TV revenue, while hopefully balancing that by revenue from the new development of a "community space" around PNC. At the very least, there's a lot of uncertainty right now, which Mackey suggests may be a reason for their lack of activity on the FA market.
Never even dawns on them that new revenue could be generated from selling fucking tickets to see the baseball team they operate.
"there's a lot of uncertainty right now, which Mackey suggests may be a reason for their lack of activity on the FA market."
Sure, because they've always been so active there in the past.
I’m not buying the TV revenue argument from the standpoint that they ran out a $100 MM payroll in 2016, which I believe was under the prior crappy TV contract they negotiated mere months before the massive TV contract spike. I’m well aware of their obvious market limitations, but Mackey’s writings makes the financial situation seem more dire than it likely is.
Mackey pretty much accepts whatever they tell him.
From a PghbaseballNow article from Aug. 28, 2023
"One option is for the Pirates is to send their rights to Major League Baseball. Both the San Diego Padres and Arizona Diamondbacks did just that this season after the Diamond Sports Group went bankrupt earlier in the year.
If the Pirates chose this option, the league would handle the production, find the cable and satellite distribution and pay the team roughly 80% of the current rights fee.
According to John Ourand, the Pirates are also still considering cutting a deal with Fenway Sports Group to remain a regional sports network alongside the Penguins, though the previous option appears more likely at this time.
Since I can't think of one owner that would do the thing that is best for the fans under any circumstance and least of them all being Nutting we can expect the worse, lol.
Mackey says that he's since learned that the 80% figure was a one-time deal for this year only for the Padres and Diamondbacks. Instead, their new amount may be as low as half of what their contract had been paying.
Ouch! Guess I should be happy the Pirates are at least very experienced at dumpster diving, lol.
Pretty sure that’s accurate
The Mariners' GM also confirmed that they received a new budget this year as a result of local media revenues and that is one thing the prompted the trade with Atlanta.
I still think we can make some meaningful trades and not break the bank
Eduardo Cabrera, Trevor Rogers and Alex Manoah would cost less than $5mil in total
Lots o prospecks but would make that stuff have an incredibly high ceiling
Interesting that the link for Lopez also mentions that the Giants are excited about their other pick, Nick Garcia. Sabol, Garcia, Lopez...they seem to be impressed with Pirates' prospects, and maybe have a sense that we lack something in evaluating our own prospects (of course I'm not sure what it says about the Rockies that they'd leave Garcia unprotected after trading for him).
The Pirates have a loaded system and every team in MLB knows there are too many talented prospects to satisfy them all, therefore they will be making talented kids available for years to come.
Connor Joe returned roughly $15.2 mil of value (1.9 fWAR) to the Pirates for his performance in 2023 - excellent trade of Garcia to get Joe. Sabol was a good bat with footspeed, but was/is not a Catcher, even with the Giants. Joey Bart imploded again in 2023, and Sabol stepped in and got his chance - glad for him! And, Lopez suffered the injury. He had some good power at A+ in 2022, but was also striking out 5 times more than he walked.
Garcia was REALLY awful in 2023.
Maybe they think we scout amateurs well but can't develop prospects to save our lives. I know I do.
I am starting to change my thinking on this. I used to think that the guys Huntington brought in, with Dellicarri at the head, were not very good: given their failures in the first round that coincided with the moment that Dellicarri took over the helm of amateur scouting. I am now thinking, when I read things like the Pirates being only 1 of 3 teams to zero in on Evan Carter, that it is not the raw scouting that is the problem for the Pirates in the draft. It is more at the summary level: i.e. whoever is doing the selecting and setting up the board.
I agree about the development. I have long felt that the Pirates should be seeking "driveline style" coaches, focused on the processes of hitting, fielding, and pitching with a track record of making good technical changes to delivery, grips, stance, swings, and so forth. Instead, they seem obsessed with "organizational philosophies" or whatever.
While I really liked Shelton's interview with Brian Kenny at the Winter Meetings, in an earlier interview I was not impressed with his statement about being most proud that they came in with a plan and have stuck to it. Of course it's only been four years, so maybe they shouldn't be ready to deviate from the original plan. But a lack of flexibility/adapting was what did Huntington and Hurdle in and I sometimes get the same vibe from Cherington and Shelton--they're just a little too sure of themselves.
On a positive note, I'm highly encouraged by their hiring of Sarah Gelles, which puts action behind their words that they need to do better. I don't think they would have hired her or that she would have taken the position if there wasn't an openness to change.
Yes about Gelles; but, saying they planned the first three years and stuck to that plan is more than I can handle - the guy's a buffoon! Hurdle always was the smartest man in the room and never hesitated letting everybody know it.
I am not so sure about the Gelles' hiring, and the reason that I am not so sure about this hire is directly related to your points above. Cherington came in with much trumpeting and fanfare that he was a developmental guru, less than an analytics or evaluation guy. He seems to share this assessment of himself since all of his major hires have all been in the direction of acquiring analytics and evaluation people. So, he seems quite confident that he can oversee the development program and that he only needs some analytic and evaluation help. I am just not convinced that he is the developmental guru that he is lauded for being and that the Pirates still lack sound direction in their player development.
Dejan said he basically heard that from a scout from another team
I "liked" this but I don't like it.