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Brandon's avatar

Man, Nathaniel Lowe would have looked really good in this lineup. What could have been. I think him and Winker would have improved the lineup so much. Now we have to hope horwitz is the real deal and hope they actually get a corner outifielder.

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NMR's avatar

Death, taxes, and Pirate fans weirdly obsessed with the Reds.

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Arky Wags's avatar

You think that’s something leftover from the 70’s? No idea as I’ve only been a fan for 15 years or so.

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Bucsfan2023's avatar

Cubs

Reds

Brewers

Pirates

Cardinals

2-4 is a bit challenging as each team has holes, like I doubt the Pirates go into the season with Palacios/Suwinski as starters, the Reds aren’t rolling with Will Benson, etc.

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Catch22's avatar

Cubs and everyone else. Not understanding the love for the brewers and reds lineups.

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AdministrativeSky236's avatar

The brewers have the strongest remaining top potential with Contreras, yelich, and Chou too but the rest could really struggle. The rest are pure potential plus Elly but if anything I think our floor is higher than theirs even if not close to their ceiling

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WTM's avatar

Mil has a way of always turning out much better than they look.

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Shawn Inlow's avatar

Yeah, well, Jeffrey Dahmer was also from Milwaukee, Wilbur. People forget that.

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Mark Dyckman's avatar

The Pirates lineup stinks...

The Division stinks

The Cubs will win the division (maybe easily)

The Dodgers, Mets, and Phillies are much better than the Cubs and the Padres and Braves might be a little better.

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Adam Yarkovsky's avatar

Brewers

Cubs

Pirates

Cards

Reds

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Adam Yarkovsky's avatar

Hot take the Reds will be by far the worst team in the NLC.

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Arky Wags's avatar

They’re the biggest wild card in the division to me. More than any other team, I could see them winning 90 or 70 and not be surprised at either total.

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NMR's avatar

“by far” makes it hot but otherwise perfectly reasonable

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bmcferren's avatar

everything hangs on matt hague in 2025

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Shawn Inlow's avatar

Return of the Hit Collector....

Pirates' lineup will be "Return of the Sons of the Hit Collector."

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Shawn Inlow's avatar

I don't care about the other teams much. I'll let that discussion go to more knowledgable members of the BOD-Faithful.

To me, concerning my beloved Buccos, I think we oughtta call 'em the "Pittsburgh Bounce Backs" this year. I was looking at 2024 WAR for each of these players on Baseball Reference and I need some explanations here.

IKF they had at 3.6 last year... apparently none of that was with the Bucs.

BRey 3.6

Cruz 2.5

Cutch .8

Bart 2.2

Horwitz 1.2

NickG .9

Key .8

Palacios N/A

The guys with better than league average OPS+ were: Cruz (113) BRey (119) Horw (125) Bart (120) and Cutch (105)...

Going down the list, I think Cruz and Cutch and Bart and Horwitz and Nick G. and CERTAINLY Ke'Bryan (just with a healthy year) can do better than those numbers. I fail to see how either Cook or York can't do as well as Palacios and my hunch is they're not going out and getting a qualified MLB outfielder to help with the offense.

If you add the 14.4 WAR of the bulk of last year's starters and give Skenes, Jones and Bubba most of a year's starts and add that to a starting lineup of 15.7 WAR which should be on the LOW side, given I think a lot of those years last year could improve... are we looking at 30 wins above replacement? Just how many wins does a team of fungible replacement level players amount to, anyway?

Someone tell me what this means. Haven't even thought about the bullpen and with Bednar tipping his pitches, well, he can do better than - 0.9....

But... thinking in terms of these numbers... I have a sneaking hunch the Bucs could be good this year if their defense supports the pitching?

Am I right?

Anyone?

Buhler?

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Adam Yarkovsky's avatar

Ignoring relief WAR the backend lost 19 games. Bednar Chapman Holderman how many of those could you realistically flip just with positive regression and luck 7? 10?

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Cb's avatar

It is shocking, but this team could have easily been above .500 if it wasn't for bednar, Chapman and the rest losing so many games. This offense still sucks so bad.

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Shawn Inlow's avatar

You know, Cb... I was doing a countdown to .500 and they imploded after the deadline. I seem to recall going into the year, we thought our bullpen would be our strength. Just goes to show a rabbit.

It seems unlikely for the Pirates to be both as bad offensively and as bad in the pen as they were last year all at once.

Right?

Right?

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Cb's avatar

I think the pen bounces back. The offense is a lock to be near the bottom in baseball as it stands now.

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Anthony Murphy's avatar

How do you think these lineups rank 1-5?

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StatsCbl's avatar

Brewers

Cubs

Pirates

Reds

Cardinals

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bmcferren's avatar

Pirates

Cubs

Brewers

Reds

Cardinals

CY Young: Paul Skenes

MVP: Oneil Cruz

ROY: Bubba Chandler

Comeback Player of the Year: David Bednar

Coach of the year: Matt Hague

Manager of the Year: Jason Kendall (May and beyond after a 2-20 April record)

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Bianco599's avatar

I was about to post the exact same thing. But I thought 3-19 after April.

Pierogi if the year?

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bmcferren's avatar

jalopena hanna

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Melkel's avatar

Cubs

Brewers

Reds

Pirates/Cardinals

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TNBucs's avatar

Brewers

Cubs

Reds

Pirates

Cardinals

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TNBucs's avatar

The biggest gap is between 3 and 4–I’d buy any order for the top 3 and probably overrated Yelich’s ability to stay healthy and be productive so Cubs or Reds might be a better #1.

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Buccoboy's avatar

Cubs

Brewers

Reds

Pirates

Cards

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AdministrativeSky236's avatar

Honestly I see this as cubs at 1 then a whole clusterfuck of the rest with any order of 2-5 being possible. Likely us and the cards in the bottom 2, but the whole division is stocked with young, unproven guys that could go either way

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Brandon's avatar

1. Cubs

2. Reds

3. Brewers

4. Cardinals

5. Pirates

Sadly, however, a SS upgrade and RF upgrade could maybe get them to 3. They will have to rely on pitching and Davis, Suwinski, peguero, Rodriguez, cook or Yorke showing they can fill a whole with their bats.

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