In Pittsburgh, we call that the Reverse Roethlisberger. Since Ben showed up to camp at 235 and then slowly ate himself into a left tackle during the season.
I put my vote in for Wes Johnson as the next GM, if he would take the job. Have him rebuild the minor-league development system and coaching staff from the ground up. If he can do it for every college he has ever worked in, and the Minnesota Twins pitching staff, he can do it for the Pirates. Would he, or anyone competent, take the job of GM of the Pirates?
Maybe someone has noted it here, but I just saw on Pirates Prospects that the Pirates have dismissed Junior Vizcaino as Director of International Scouting. That's a big change, but hopefully things don't stop there and I'd rather have a new GM hire the replacement.
Also, Luis Silverio dismissed as Senior Advisor of Latin American Operations. Good moves just as long as Ben doesn't use it to justify another five years while we wait for results from the new directors.
And Yorke with a double, Suwinski with a triple, and Peguero with a HR. And at AA Bowen has gone yard, and just a few minutes ago, Termarr Johnson went yard to RC for the 'toona! Just trying to brighten the overall tenor after that crushing loss. Actually I went to the Pirates homepage first to see we would be looking for a new GM or for a new Manager.
The beauty of Yorke's double, the centerfielder was shading him hard to right center (where he had a double last night), he hit a rocket to just left of center tonight, the outfielder had no chance lol. Great gap to gap approach. Suwinski nailed a liner down the right field line and Peguero's was a no doubt blast to left.
The Pirates added Skenes and Jones, and for the first time ever ostensibly (but not really) tried to improve at the deadline, yet this team is now on track to finish with a worse record than last year. Very few GMs could achieve ineptitude on that level even if they tried. But does the one person who matters care in the slightest?
Just embarrassing. Make changes now. Just like putting Cruz in the outfield without him knowing much about the move. Bye bye Shelton. Bye Bye coaches. Again, it’s embarrassing to be a Pittsburgh Pirate fan
Soooo much pitching depth... blah... blah... blah... Marin is a genius... blah... blah... blah... . The only thing that they can develop is pitchers... blah... blah... blah. For an organization that sells itself on pitching, they sure do suck at... pitching. What a steaming pile of garbage this GMBC-Shelton-Marin-Haines operation is!
I've never been as high on Marin as some. He's credited for some short-term successes but when those pitchers start to struggle, he doesn't seem to have the answers. He might be good at making initial tweaks to their pitch distribution or mechanics but outside of Skenes, who is exceptional in every sense of the word, are we seeing any pitcher capable of consistency, of adjusting when the league adjusts to them?
No. That's just it... outside of Skenes, Jones (whose entire "fix" came from playing catch with Harrington), and Bednar for a couple of years, there pitching has been almost as bad as their hitting. The whole organization that BC has put together is garbage.
When Cherrington stated he would cycle through relievers he found on the waiver wire, I knew the bullpen was doomed. Dumpster diving can produce acceptable results. But it is always important to keep in mind the dumpster diver is picking through someone else's mistakes, rejects, failures. It's a commitment to relying on luck.
They get one Borucki season and think they're genius. When Ro is the real way. Honeywell pitched rather well for Dodgers, and he was gone almost instantly
That trade was detestable from the minute they made it. That guy stinks.
The major reason they have tanked after the all-star break isn't even their abysmal offense. It is the atrocious performance of their bullpen. Holderman and Bednar have lost numerous games. And Beeks has also pitched poorly on multiple occasions, despite his ERA. The Pirates would still be in the wildcard discussion if it were not for Holderman and Bednar.
That's exactly it. Anyone who makes it to the big leagues can look good in a short-sample, which is what you get from relievers over a period of a couple months. Small samples, however, are not good datasets to make long-term decisions about. So long as their entire strategy is "let's find lightning in a bottle" they will keep getting fried.
Skenes is tired and needs to be shut down. The season is over and the pirates should continue to improve its draft position by losing as many games as possible. Another Bednar melt down and Shelton keeps putting him in to try to lose, I mean save games. Bednar needs to be placed on the 60 injury list, with the malady of I can't get anyone out. If Cherington doesn't fire Shelton he has to be fired as well. How can anyone root for this team? No minor league hitters to improve a lousy hitting team and why is failure Haines still employed as the hitting coach. I can't wait for the seasons end so I don't have to watch this anymore.
Been 6 or 7 years since I had the Pirates Package - maybe Hurdle's last year? As the games progress I will try to look in and catch the score, but that's all I got left for them. Maybe when they unload that buffoon managerial apprentice and put somebody in there who will demand attention to detail instead of trying to be everyone's friend, maybe then.
Silver lining: Bednar's arbitration number is likely getting lower with each appearance.
In Pittsburgh, we call that the Reverse Roethlisberger. Since Ben showed up to camp at 235 and then slowly ate himself into a left tackle during the season.
Don’t be fat shaming us stress eaters. The Wendy’s Triple exists for a reason. Extra mayonnaise.
Pulling up the DoorDash after reading that post.
Ercolani is dealing again tonight. Peguero is begging for a call up lately.
I put my vote in for Wes Johnson as the next GM, if he would take the job. Have him rebuild the minor-league development system and coaching staff from the ground up. If he can do it for every college he has ever worked in, and the Minnesota Twins pitching staff, he can do it for the Pirates. Would he, or anyone competent, take the job of GM of the Pirates?
My top 3 are: Allard Baird, Ruben Amaro Jr and Ted Turner.
I'm putting my vote in for Any Random Goober.
i accept your invitation
Maybe someone has noted it here, but I just saw on Pirates Prospects that the Pirates have dismissed Junior Vizcaino as Director of International Scouting. That's a big change, but hopefully things don't stop there and I'd rather have a new GM hire the replacement.
Also, Luis Silverio dismissed as Senior Advisor of Latin American Operations. Good moves just as long as Ben doesn't use it to justify another five years while we wait for results from the new directors.
All stuff that should have been done years ago. That is standard... do the obvious... 4 years after it has become obvious. FIRE THEM ALL!
Jeeee-ZUS people.
You scored TEN runs...
And LOST?
Do NOT make me come down there.
Chandler's line
5 innings 3 h 1 r 0 er 2 bb 5 k
And Yorke with a double, Suwinski with a triple, and Peguero with a HR. And at AA Bowen has gone yard, and just a few minutes ago, Termarr Johnson went yard to RC for the 'toona! Just trying to brighten the overall tenor after that crushing loss. Actually I went to the Pirates homepage first to see we would be looking for a new GM or for a new Manager.
The beauty of Yorke's double, the centerfielder was shading him hard to right center (where he had a double last night), he hit a rocket to just left of center tonight, the outfielder had no chance lol. Great gap to gap approach. Suwinski nailed a liner down the right field line and Peguero's was a no doubt blast to left.
Yorke with another hard hit double, Peguero with a blast. Chandler not his sharpest but through 3 innings scoreless but near 70 pitches.
I meant to watch this game and forgot all about it after the big club performance.
Wouldn’t blame ya for tuning out baseball for rest of the day after that lol
How many HR is that for Peguro on the last ten games or so?.
4 or 5
Chandler with his 3rd strikeout in the 4th, 99mph fastball 91mph change.
Gave up a double then an E3 for an unearned run.
The Pirates added Skenes and Jones, and for the first time ever ostensibly (but not really) tried to improve at the deadline, yet this team is now on track to finish with a worse record than last year. Very few GMs could achieve ineptitude on that level even if they tried. But does the one person who matters care in the slightest?
No, despite what Mackey says.
Just embarrassing. Make changes now. Just like putting Cruz in the outfield without him knowing much about the move. Bye bye Shelton. Bye Bye coaches. Again, it’s embarrassing to be a Pittsburgh Pirate fan
Soooo much pitching depth... blah... blah... blah... Marin is a genius... blah... blah... blah... . The only thing that they can develop is pitchers... blah... blah... blah. For an organization that sells itself on pitching, they sure do suck at... pitching. What a steaming pile of garbage this GMBC-Shelton-Marin-Haines operation is!
I've never been as high on Marin as some. He's credited for some short-term successes but when those pitchers start to struggle, he doesn't seem to have the answers. He might be good at making initial tweaks to their pitch distribution or mechanics but outside of Skenes, who is exceptional in every sense of the word, are we seeing any pitcher capable of consistency, of adjusting when the league adjusts to them?
No. That's just it... outside of Skenes, Jones (whose entire "fix" came from playing catch with Harrington), and Bednar for a couple of years, there pitching has been almost as bad as their hitting. The whole organization that BC has put together is garbage.
It's what happens when you have an owner not committed to winning.
When Cherrington stated he would cycle through relievers he found on the waiver wire, I knew the bullpen was doomed. Dumpster diving can produce acceptable results. But it is always important to keep in mind the dumpster diver is picking through someone else's mistakes, rejects, failures. It's a commitment to relying on luck.
They get one Borucki season and think they're genius. When Ro is the real way. Honeywell pitched rather well for Dodgers, and he was gone almost instantly
And they'd be better off with Peralta now than Reeks.
That trade was detestable from the minute they made it. That guy stinks.
The major reason they have tanked after the all-star break isn't even their abysmal offense. It is the atrocious performance of their bullpen. Holderman and Bednar have lost numerous games. And Beeks has also pitched poorly on multiple occasions, despite his ERA. The Pirates would still be in the wildcard discussion if it were not for Holderman and Bednar.
The rookie RP with 2.2 scoreless IP? Nah, never.
That's exactly it. Anyone who makes it to the big leagues can look good in a short-sample, which is what you get from relievers over a period of a couple months. Small samples, however, are not good datasets to make long-term decisions about. So long as their entire strategy is "let's find lightning in a bottle" they will keep getting fried.
This game pretty well symbolized this season. A rough beginning, hope for something good in the middle, and a full blown dumpster fire of a finish.
this season or my first marriage heyooooo
Skenes is tired and needs to be shut down. The season is over and the pirates should continue to improve its draft position by losing as many games as possible. Another Bednar melt down and Shelton keeps putting him in to try to lose, I mean save games. Bednar needs to be placed on the 60 injury list, with the malady of I can't get anyone out. If Cherington doesn't fire Shelton he has to be fired as well. How can anyone root for this team? No minor league hitters to improve a lousy hitting team and why is failure Haines still employed as the hitting coach. I can't wait for the seasons end so I don't have to watch this anymore.
Been 6 or 7 years since I had the Pirates Package - maybe Hurdle's last year? As the games progress I will try to look in and catch the score, but that's all I got left for them. Maybe when they unload that buffoon managerial apprentice and put somebody in there who will demand attention to detail instead of trying to be everyone's friend, maybe then.
I’ve been reading your stuff since the CBS Sports days, this is the only time I remember you being negative. Can’t blame you.
That's it, I've been radicalized.
Shoot him into the sun.
Which one? Lol
yes.
Hurray!!!!
One of us! One of us!
How does Shelton survive this? Keep the pitching coach. Fire everyone else.
The Pirates struck out 14 times today, somehow increasing their team record setting pace.
2022: 1,497 strikeouts
2024 pace: 1,514
I have no doubt they'll shatter that with ease.
If Shelton isn't fired at some point before next season I'm done with this clown show.
Their only chance is having a game rained out that doesn't need to be made up
I would agree