Nuttin ain't paying anybody $20M. I think the fans are in for a shock when Skenes gets into arbitration. If he keeps on like he is, he could get over $20M in his first arb year. The usual assumption is that the Pirates will have Skenes for six years. I'm not sure it'll even be four. Vlad? No way.
I think Cherington likes to bring in large numbers of cheap, shitty veterans because the risk to him is low. Nuttin doesn't care whether he wastes $4M on MAT because it doesn't attract any attention. It's not all that much more, in MLB salary terms, than the minimum salary, so when MAT completely tanks, as he has, there aren't any headlines about how Cherington has blown half the team's puny payroll on a flop. But if Vlad comes in and flops, that's a different story.
It's all about Cherington keeping himself safe. Nuttin isn't going to analyze whether Cherington could have made the team better by spending money on one good player instead of a half dozen shit players. First, he doesn't understand baseball any more than I understand astrophysics and, second, he just doesn't care.
I honestly think we've reached a new phase with this FO, which is why I have nothing but contempt for them. With Littlefield and Huntington, we had two guys of very limited ability fumbling around within the confines of Nuttin's cheapness. They weren't up to it, but they were trying and Huntington had some interludes where he had some answers.
This FO is completely different, imo. I think Cherington knows perfectly well that what he's doing won't work, but I don't think he cares because he's keeping Nuttin happy, and that means he stays in the job. He has plans he's formed for the Pirates and winning isn't in the picture.
The fans are just a nuisance. Nuttin will make his profits from MLB's central revenues and from revenue sharing. Attendance at PNC won't totally crater because they'll get some visiting fans; that's been a large part of most of their crowds for several years. I seriously don't understand how anybody could have followed this team for the past five years, especially this year, and still believe that this FO cares in the least about winning.
Back in the day, I argued that the McClatchyfield strategy had Littlefield bringing in enough talent to keep the Drive for 75 in play every season. One problem for Littlefield was his unwillingness to draft or sign quality amateurs. He lived off the remnants of Bonifay's tenure and from the dumpster dive players who had value. Sometimes Littlefield got lucky. Perez and Bay were acquired for Giles. Freddie Sanchez and Mike Gonzalez were acquired from the Red Sox who committed a blunder here. But, his luck would eventually run out. Eventually, he would find himself with too few players to trade. The Drive for 75, since he failed to acquire quality amateurs, would appear ridiculous. Littlefield's teams would consistently fail to win 70 games. Then 60 games. It took passing over Matt Weiters for Daniel Moskos to expose the sham McClatchyfield were perpetrating on the fans and MLB. Nutting took over and gave some of the fans what they wanted: They drafted Pedr Alvarez, thus signaling a new era. They then drafted Taillon, who was cursed. They would go on to spend in the draft, eventually breaking it. Huntington had his virtues. Early on, his dumpster diving paid off. Burnett, Liriano, Martin, Volquez and others had career resurgence. He saw something in Charkie Morton that others did not, trading for Ground Chuck when Nate McLouth was near to his peak value. If one can find a difference between Huntington and Cherringon's regimes, Huntington's dumpster dives worked out and Cherringon's haven't. Cherringon has had more money to spend on amateurs save for the year Huntington broke the draft. But Cherringon's trades haven't worked out at all. His dumpster dives produced players to flip at the deadlines but not players who gave the Pirates multiple seasons of 2 to 4 WAR baseball. That seems to be Cherringon's strategy: Make trades to seed the minor league teams. Not long ago that plan seemed to be working. But it was never wholly successful. And so, Cherringon's teams are falling short. Too few of his position player prospects have developed into quality MLers. His dumpster dives only bring back lottery tickets. If the 2024 Pirates could hit, we might wonder if Skenes would win the Cy Young award.
Nutting listens to his baseball people. Cherringon was an in-demand candidate for multiple GM positions. Why would he come to Pittsburgh if he had not gotten assurances from Nutting that the money would be there when it was needed. Cherringon could have remained in Toronto. He didn't need the job. The development failures with respect to position players have damaged the rebuild. That's on Cherrington. They may cost him his job if Nutting refuses to open his wallet.
I believe Cherrington may merit more time to finish his build and that Nutting needs to spend more on ML FAs. Yet, if the past is any guide to the future, Nutting will prove to lacking. And Cherrington needs to fix the development system.
Thanks. I was thinking he was a free agent at the end of the year. Then I think the Blue Jays won't trade him, unless they get a big prospect in return.
For a couple months I thought Skenes was gonna be one of those guys where the lineup just went nuts every time out. They scored 51 runs in his first 7 starts.
Regression. He may not see another run from Ben's offense the rest of the year. He's already had about three years' worth of support from this clown show of an offense.
Perhaps you missed the first part of the post. That crappy offense averaged 7+ runs in his first 7 starts. And BRey and Tellez weren't even hitting in May.
WTM might be right with regression. But it seems your toggle is stuck on "bitch".
Well they are. A couple of better everyday guys and this is a decent above .500 team. The fact that our break out 3rd baseman from last year has severely regressed has hurt this team. I thought he might be a dark horse MVP candidate after his 2nd half last year. Wrong!
Two outs bases empty. In that situation, you might as well go for the long ball like Reynolds did. He did just that, even with his hitting streak on the line. Some guys would have just tried to slap a single.
somebody out there thinks we can acquire Vlad without giving up Bubba or Termarr?
There are 3 wild card spots. Here are fangraphs chances of teams making the play-offs
Braves 94%
Padres 63%
Mets 43%
Cardinals 40%
Giants 24%
Dbacks 20%
Cubs 10%
Pirates(39-43) and Reds... both under 10%.
Without trying to be negative, I don't think we are in a position to be getting rentals yet..
Nuttin ain't paying anybody $20M. I think the fans are in for a shock when Skenes gets into arbitration. If he keeps on like he is, he could get over $20M in his first arb year. The usual assumption is that the Pirates will have Skenes for six years. I'm not sure it'll even be four. Vlad? No way.
what does nutting care if next year we have a vlad instead of a chapman, martin perez, and marco?
I think Cherington likes to bring in large numbers of cheap, shitty veterans because the risk to him is low. Nuttin doesn't care whether he wastes $4M on MAT because it doesn't attract any attention. It's not all that much more, in MLB salary terms, than the minimum salary, so when MAT completely tanks, as he has, there aren't any headlines about how Cherington has blown half the team's puny payroll on a flop. But if Vlad comes in and flops, that's a different story.
It's all about Cherington keeping himself safe. Nuttin isn't going to analyze whether Cherington could have made the team better by spending money on one good player instead of a half dozen shit players. First, he doesn't understand baseball any more than I understand astrophysics and, second, he just doesn't care.
spent the same in the offseason before and had a extension signed on opening day the past three years
if the same happens next year then $30 mill to vlad and a reliver (maybe so chapman again) and buyout JJ´s arb years sound great to me
I honestly think we've reached a new phase with this FO, which is why I have nothing but contempt for them. With Littlefield and Huntington, we had two guys of very limited ability fumbling around within the confines of Nuttin's cheapness. They weren't up to it, but they were trying and Huntington had some interludes where he had some answers.
This FO is completely different, imo. I think Cherington knows perfectly well that what he's doing won't work, but I don't think he cares because he's keeping Nuttin happy, and that means he stays in the job. He has plans he's formed for the Pirates and winning isn't in the picture.
The fans are just a nuisance. Nuttin will make his profits from MLB's central revenues and from revenue sharing. Attendance at PNC won't totally crater because they'll get some visiting fans; that's been a large part of most of their crowds for several years. I seriously don't understand how anybody could have followed this team for the past five years, especially this year, and still believe that this FO cares in the least about winning.
Back in the day, I argued that the McClatchyfield strategy had Littlefield bringing in enough talent to keep the Drive for 75 in play every season. One problem for Littlefield was his unwillingness to draft or sign quality amateurs. He lived off the remnants of Bonifay's tenure and from the dumpster dive players who had value. Sometimes Littlefield got lucky. Perez and Bay were acquired for Giles. Freddie Sanchez and Mike Gonzalez were acquired from the Red Sox who committed a blunder here. But, his luck would eventually run out. Eventually, he would find himself with too few players to trade. The Drive for 75, since he failed to acquire quality amateurs, would appear ridiculous. Littlefield's teams would consistently fail to win 70 games. Then 60 games. It took passing over Matt Weiters for Daniel Moskos to expose the sham McClatchyfield were perpetrating on the fans and MLB. Nutting took over and gave some of the fans what they wanted: They drafted Pedr Alvarez, thus signaling a new era. They then drafted Taillon, who was cursed. They would go on to spend in the draft, eventually breaking it. Huntington had his virtues. Early on, his dumpster diving paid off. Burnett, Liriano, Martin, Volquez and others had career resurgence. He saw something in Charkie Morton that others did not, trading for Ground Chuck when Nate McLouth was near to his peak value. If one can find a difference between Huntington and Cherringon's regimes, Huntington's dumpster dives worked out and Cherringon's haven't. Cherringon has had more money to spend on amateurs save for the year Huntington broke the draft. But Cherringon's trades haven't worked out at all. His dumpster dives produced players to flip at the deadlines but not players who gave the Pirates multiple seasons of 2 to 4 WAR baseball. That seems to be Cherringon's strategy: Make trades to seed the minor league teams. Not long ago that plan seemed to be working. But it was never wholly successful. And so, Cherringon's teams are falling short. Too few of his position player prospects have developed into quality MLers. His dumpster dives only bring back lottery tickets. If the 2024 Pirates could hit, we might wonder if Skenes would win the Cy Young award.
Nutting listens to his baseball people. Cherringon was an in-demand candidate for multiple GM positions. Why would he come to Pittsburgh if he had not gotten assurances from Nutting that the money would be there when it was needed. Cherringon could have remained in Toronto. He didn't need the job. The development failures with respect to position players have damaged the rebuild. That's on Cherrington. They may cost him his job if Nutting refuses to open his wallet.
I believe Cherrington may merit more time to finish his build and that Nutting needs to spend more on ML FAs. Yet, if the past is any guide to the future, Nutting will prove to lacking. And Cherrington needs to fix the development system.
Thanks. I was thinking he was a free agent at the end of the year. Then I think the Blue Jays won't trade him, unless they get a big prospect in return.
Is Shawn Ross the new Aaron Shackelford?
Gah! Termarr Johnson with a 2 hit game.
call him up to the big league squad
did you see him tee off against MLB pitching last march?
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For a couple months I thought Skenes was gonna be one of those guys where the lineup just went nuts every time out. They scored 51 runs in his first 7 starts.
And two in his last two.
I hear what you are saying, but Max Fried is a pretty good pitcher though.
Regression. He may not see another run from Ben's offense the rest of the year. He's already had about three years' worth of support from this clown show of an offense.
Perhaps you missed the first part of the post. That crappy offense averaged 7+ runs in his first 7 starts. And BRey and Tellez weren't even hitting in May.
WTM might be right with regression. But it seems your toggle is stuck on "bitch".
Such, such, such, a frustrating team. Another should have won turns into a loss.
Well they are. A couple of better everyday guys and this is a decent above .500 team. The fact that our break out 3rd baseman from last year has severely regressed has hurt this team. I thought he might be a dark horse MVP candidate after his 2nd half last year. Wrong!
In retrospect that seems to be the case, but at the time it seemed like he had figured something out.
crap. As great as MATs slide was the other night, this one sucked.
Gift run happily accepted.
And happily returned
0-9 wRISP. Cheringtonball.
Two outs bases empty. In that situation, you might as well go for the long ball like Reynolds did. He did just that, even with his hitting streak on the line. Some guys would have just tried to slap a single.
How did that not go out???
That’s probably the game. I don’t see them winning in extras if it gets that far. Please get rid of the automatic runner some day. Man I hate that.
Must be heavy air now. Thought Kelenic's was out as well.
he should have ran home on that misthrow to third
No way he would have been out by 10 feet
you are assuming no more errand throws
and he would've been out by a lot.
Can we just send Suwinski down already!
This is when you need 2023 Joshua Palacios.
I thought Rowdy was gonna beat that out for a moment …lol then the moment was gone…..
One less donut and he might've beat that throw.
In his defense, are we sure Cruz even knows about the pitch clock? Cause most of the time I feel like he doesn’t.