I think I may have found a worse FA signing than Hit Man Tom Pham. And there were a lot of fans clamoring for this guy in the offseason
Joc Pederson has a .100, .203, .374 batting line through 70 AB’s. Add the fact that he is making 37 million over the next 2 years Pham may NOT be the worst 2025 fa signing! I would still bet Pederson has a better 2025 than Pham tho
I think I may have found a worse FA signing than Hit Man Tom Pham. And there were a lot of fans clamoring for this guy in the offseason
Joc Pederson has a .100, .203, .374 batting line through 70 AB’s. Add the fact that he is making 37 million over the next 2 years Pham may NOT be the worst 2025 fa signing! I would still bet Pederson has a better 2025 than Pham tho
I think I may have found a worse FA signing than Hit Man Tom Pham. And there were a lot of fans clamoring for this guy in the offseason
Joc Pederson has a .100, .203, .374 batting line through 70 AB’s. Add the fact that he is making 37 million over the next 2 years Pham may NOT be the worst 2025 fa signing! I would still bet Pederson has a better 2025 than Pham tho
Hunter Furtado is a reliever? It's getting harder to tell the difference since starters pitch so few innings anymore. Hunter Barco has looked great but how often has he gone through a lineup more than once? I like Barco and his season but I'd like it more if he was learning how to actually throw some volume in games. I know the "injury watchers" wouldn't like more volume but I have yet to see actual evidence that pampering these guys actually prevents injuries. If there is a reason to pump the brakes, do it. Otherwise these guys should be building up to actually be starters.
They did the same thing with Bubba last year, and he finished the year with 120 innings.
Barco threw 66 innings last year, he's not going to go too far past 100, if he tops that at all. Even when they weren't 'pampering' guys they didn't drastically increase players innings from year to year.
If he only throws 50 innings this season, maybe it's a problem. But we literally still have five months left in the season.
They are building them up. It's a multi-year thing. They don't do it overnight.
The evidence is the even-higher rate of injury from college arms put through the wringer you aren’t considering and probably don’t even remember. It’s not like high pitch/innings in an era of max effort and heavy breaking ball usage hasn’t been tried.
They’re all still throwing overhand, a movement the human body was not designed to do repeatedly.
There may not be magic to certain arbitrary numbers but there’s no logical manner in which arms are healthier from doing the bad thing more.
Right! It’s easy to cite all the arms who survived because…they survived. And this doesn’t even count arms who survived but were severely diminished after getting through the college grind.
Yes, and the limiting of innings doesn’t seem to be saving arms. Where are the studies? It is fairly simple, everybody and their brother is throwing 97, 98, 99, 100 mph’s and sooner or later they are blowing out their arms. I’m 56 and have been following baseball since I was 10. Guys with low 90’s fastballs were considered fairly hard throwers in the 80’s and 90’s. Guys throwing 95 and 96 were flamethrowers and then you had the rare elite guys like Ryan. Low 90’s now is a yawner and we assume they won’t make it to the bigs. Guys are going yo blow their arms out “pampered” or not. Just for the record I don’t like the word “pampered” as I know people are trying to solve a problem but I just don’t see it working. I’m just surprised there doesn’t seem to be more research on these questions. If it is out there, I’ve missed it.
There is! There is clear physiologic research demonstrating the more wear you put on a ligament the faster it is likely to break whether you're talking baseball pitchers or tennis players or golfers, i.e. "tennis elbow"/"golfer's elbow". This isn't even just a baseball thing!
Like I said above, i can respect skepticism about arbitrary numbers but you're taking this way too far by ignoring the very obvious *absolute* impact.
Maybe just becomes Im gasping at straws for anything to make me feel better about the major league club, but there seems to be many more bright spots on the farm than there we're last year. Hopefully its a system on the rise
Jebb!
I think I may have found a worse FA signing than Hit Man Tom Pham. And there were a lot of fans clamoring for this guy in the offseason
Joc Pederson has a .100, .203, .374 batting line through 70 AB’s. Add the fact that he is making 37 million over the next 2 years Pham may NOT be the worst 2025 fa signing! I would still bet Pederson has a better 2025 than Pham tho
I think I may have found a worse FA signing than Hit Man Tom Pham. And there were a lot of fans clamoring for this guy in the offseason
Joc Pederson has a .100, .203, .374 batting line through 70 AB’s. Add the fact that he is making 37 million over the next 2 years Pham may NOT be the worst 2025 fa signing! I would still bet Pederson has a better 2025 than Pham tho
I think I may have found a worse FA signing than Hit Man Tom Pham. And there were a lot of fans clamoring for this guy in the offseason
Joc Pederson has a .100, .203, .374 batting line through 70 AB’s. Add the fact that he is making 37 million over the next 2 years Pham may NOT be the worst 2025 fa signing! I would still bet Pederson has a better 2025 than Pham tho
Hunter Furtado is a reliever? It's getting harder to tell the difference since starters pitch so few innings anymore. Hunter Barco has looked great but how often has he gone through a lineup more than once? I like Barco and his season but I'd like it more if he was learning how to actually throw some volume in games. I know the "injury watchers" wouldn't like more volume but I have yet to see actual evidence that pampering these guys actually prevents injuries. If there is a reason to pump the brakes, do it. Otherwise these guys should be building up to actually be starters.
They did the same thing with Bubba last year, and he finished the year with 120 innings.
Barco threw 66 innings last year, he's not going to go too far past 100, if he tops that at all. Even when they weren't 'pampering' guys they didn't drastically increase players innings from year to year.
If he only throws 50 innings this season, maybe it's a problem. But we literally still have five months left in the season.
They are building them up. It's a multi-year thing. They don't do it overnight.
Receipts on pitchers with some MLB success who were not pampered. Here are a few:
Some random guys - Rick Rhoden 1971 - 61 IP 1972 - 167 IP; Bruce Kison 1969 - 94 IP 1970 - 163 IP; Steve Blass 1960 - 73 IP 1961 - 160 IP; Jim Bibby 1967 - 0 IP (Vietnam) 1968 - 131 IP; John Candelaria 1973 - 95 IP 1974 - 165 IP; Doug Drabek 1983 (1st year) - 103 IP; 1984 - 160 IP; Greg Maddux 1984 - 85 IP 1985 - 186 IP.
Nearly all pitchers in previous eras were over 150 IP in the minor leagues before ever reaching the majors. Not anymore!
It would seem there is no evidence or very little considering the high rate of injuries even with the pampering.
The evidence is the even-higher rate of injury from college arms put through the wringer you aren’t considering and probably don’t even remember. It’s not like high pitch/innings in an era of max effort and heavy breaking ball usage hasn’t been tried.
They’re all still throwing overhand, a movement the human body was not designed to do repeatedly.
There may not be magic to certain arbitrary numbers but there’s no logical manner in which arms are healthier from doing the bad thing more.
Right! It’s easy to cite all the arms who survived because…they survived. And this doesn’t even count arms who survived but were severely diminished after getting through the college grind.
Max effort/heavy breaking ball use.... The game has changed.
Yes, and the limiting of innings doesn’t seem to be saving arms. Where are the studies? It is fairly simple, everybody and their brother is throwing 97, 98, 99, 100 mph’s and sooner or later they are blowing out their arms. I’m 56 and have been following baseball since I was 10. Guys with low 90’s fastballs were considered fairly hard throwers in the 80’s and 90’s. Guys throwing 95 and 96 were flamethrowers and then you had the rare elite guys like Ryan. Low 90’s now is a yawner and we assume they won’t make it to the bigs. Guys are going yo blow their arms out “pampered” or not. Just for the record I don’t like the word “pampered” as I know people are trying to solve a problem but I just don’t see it working. I’m just surprised there doesn’t seem to be more research on these questions. If it is out there, I’ve missed it.
There is! There is clear physiologic research demonstrating the more wear you put on a ligament the faster it is likely to break whether you're talking baseball pitchers or tennis players or golfers, i.e. "tennis elbow"/"golfer's elbow". This isn't even just a baseball thing!
Like I said above, i can respect skepticism about arbitrary numbers but you're taking this way too far by ignoring the very obvious *absolute* impact.
Maybe just becomes Im gasping at straws for anything to make me feel better about the major league club, but there seems to be many more bright spots on the farm than there we're last year. Hopefully its a system on the rise