Priester is on the Keller plan. Get him to the majors as early as possible and build each year. He'll be a good starter. Not sure if he'll be top of rotation or middle. ceiling is pretty high, floor is high. That's a nice combo.
By no means am I giving up on Quinn, but his ceiling looks like a backend starter.
Not sure why you guys are giving him Keller comps. Keller’s pure stuff is way better than Quinn’s. He’s out there throwing 91-93 mph sinkers and if they aren’t at the very bottom of the zone they get crushed. His margin for error appears to be very thin.
Yes, Rookie SP Quinn Priester struggled in his last Start of the season. Just turned 23 two weeks ago, and logged 158 innings pitched between AAA and MLB this year. In 2021 he threw 98 innings and in 2022 he threw 97 innings, so just a mere 63% increase in arm usage from 2022 to 2023. He came out in the 6th inning last night after throwing 98 pitches. Sure, he could have been pulled after 5, and left the game tied at 2 for each team, but why try to find some sort of positive for this kid? That extra third of an inning and 10+ pitches must have been very important to somebody.
He pitched all year as a 22 year old with very little usage in his draft year (2019), then missing competition in 2020 due to Covid Shutdown. Last year he pitched very well at AA Altoona - 4-4, 2.87 ERA, 15 Starts/75.1 IP, 9.0/2.6 K/BB/9. He started 2 games at AAA late. This year he was 9-4, 4.00 ERA, 20 Starts/108 IP, 9.7/3.9 K/BB/9 at AAA. I could see giving him a few starts at the MLB level, but pushing him to 158 IP is ridiculous. A smart team with thoughts of him as a No. 3 guy in the future MLB Rotation would have shut him down after about 130 IP.
I, like Mel see some positives in Quinn. It was only a bit better than a season and a half and many were calling Mitchie the Kid a bust and was time to let him go. Now everyone wants to extend Keller. Priester is not that far off and could easily see him turn the corner as well.
The 158 innings this year by Priester is only one inning less than Mitch Keller threw all of 2022, and he led the Pirates with innings pitched. BRU was 144 in 2022. Exposure to the next level is understandable, but this is clearly overuse in today's game.
Actually Mitch was in rough shape for awhile. From 2019-2022, early on. So sure, there’s time for Q. At the same time, that club in Mitch’s struggles was positioned to let a young arm work through his issues. As the Bucs turn up, I don’t think Q will or necessarily should, get that same level of runway.
Never said that he would be given a long leash in the bigs. I am just not ready to say he is horrible and to give up on him like many were on Keller. Of course the Bucs will not let him take his lumps on the Major league mound as they are opening their window. He will most likely be part of a really good AAA rotation to star 24. He got a good look at what the Show is like and now will have a good idea on what he needs to do Tom succeed in the show. His job now is to work on the things he needs to a work like heck to complete for a job starting next February and March in mini camps and ST.
As I typed that, I forgot about his one good start. Good catch. Still, he looks worse than Mitch did when he debuted. I’m not ready to write him off, but if he’s gifted a spot in the rotation next year after what he showed in 2023, I have reservations about how serious they are about competing.
It looks to me like they are treating Priester as though he is still in the minors and just letting him work on things. For example, last night, he threw 8... 8 total curveballs... his best pitch. He threw 14 changeups, and his changeup was awful. He couldn't get it anywhere near the plate most of the time. So, he did not have the pitch at all, yet Rodriguez kept calling it Also, the pitch calling was terribly predictable... fastball... fastball... fastball... slider... changeup. I mean... it is OK to start a guy off with a breaking pitch once in a while, Despite all of this, he really didn't give up much hard contact.
Whatever the case, he does need to work on his control. He leaves too many pitches over the middle of the plate, and it is hard to sequence a slider or a curve off fastballs that go all over the place. He needs to either find the touch with that changeup or abandon it completely for a cutter ala Keller.
Not sure what they are doing with him at this point. He's gone from 98 IP in 2022 to 158 IP in 2023. Difficult to think he is not physically and emotionally worn out at this point.
I don't put much stock in the whole season-long pitch/inning count. His velocity still looks good. His spin numbers are right where they have been. There are no signs of fatigue.
He has a plan now. He is pitching to contact sinker/slider against righties and four-seam/change occasional curve against lefties.
The problems that I see are that he is afraid to throw his 4-seam up in the zone, which limits his curve to a chase pitch, since it comes in low to mimic the fastball, which is down in the zone. To throw the curve for strikes and get guys looking, he is going to have to work that 4-seamer up somehow, so they freeze on the curve thinking it might be a fastball up. Unless he can do that and get his changeup or cutter working, he is going to continue to have some problems with lefties. Against righties, he is going to have to work his 2-seamer down more to get more chases on his slider. Right now, he is just leaving too many sinkers over the middle of the plate. It is actually a pretty good sinker, because he is getting a lot of soft contact on center cut sinkers. If only he could get it down a bit.
Priester is on the Keller plan. Get him to the majors as early as possible and build each year. He'll be a good starter. Not sure if he'll be top of rotation or middle. ceiling is pretty high, floor is high. That's a nice combo.
By no means am I giving up on Quinn, but his ceiling looks like a backend starter.
Not sure why you guys are giving him Keller comps. Keller’s pure stuff is way better than Quinn’s. He’s out there throwing 91-93 mph sinkers and if they aren’t at the very bottom of the zone they get crushed. His margin for error appears to be very thin.
The only Keller comp that makes sense is that they both struggled right away. Thats it. The stuff is much different as you said.
Got to give it to Priester, that kid has a lot of confidence, if you haven’t read his post game interview give it a go (PG).
Yes, Rookie SP Quinn Priester struggled in his last Start of the season. Just turned 23 two weeks ago, and logged 158 innings pitched between AAA and MLB this year. In 2021 he threw 98 innings and in 2022 he threw 97 innings, so just a mere 63% increase in arm usage from 2022 to 2023. He came out in the 6th inning last night after throwing 98 pitches. Sure, he could have been pulled after 5, and left the game tied at 2 for each team, but why try to find some sort of positive for this kid? That extra third of an inning and 10+ pitches must have been very important to somebody.
He struggled in all of his starts, Mel. Not the last one. He sucked this year, I don’t think he had one decent start or appearance either.
He pitched all year as a 22 year old with very little usage in his draft year (2019), then missing competition in 2020 due to Covid Shutdown. Last year he pitched very well at AA Altoona - 4-4, 2.87 ERA, 15 Starts/75.1 IP, 9.0/2.6 K/BB/9. He started 2 games at AAA late. This year he was 9-4, 4.00 ERA, 20 Starts/108 IP, 9.7/3.9 K/BB/9 at AAA. I could see giving him a few starts at the MLB level, but pushing him to 158 IP is ridiculous. A smart team with thoughts of him as a No. 3 guy in the future MLB Rotation would have shut him down after about 130 IP.
I, like Mel see some positives in Quinn. It was only a bit better than a season and a half and many were calling Mitchie the Kid a bust and was time to let him go. Now everyone wants to extend Keller. Priester is not that far off and could easily see him turn the corner as well.
The 158 innings this year by Priester is only one inning less than Mitch Keller threw all of 2022, and he led the Pirates with innings pitched. BRU was 144 in 2022. Exposure to the next level is understandable, but this is clearly overuse in today's game.
Actually Mitch was in rough shape for awhile. From 2019-2022, early on. So sure, there’s time for Q. At the same time, that club in Mitch’s struggles was positioned to let a young arm work through his issues. As the Bucs turn up, I don’t think Q will or necessarily should, get that same level of runway.
Never said that he would be given a long leash in the bigs. I am just not ready to say he is horrible and to give up on him like many were on Keller. Of course the Bucs will not let him take his lumps on the Major league mound as they are opening their window. He will most likely be part of a really good AAA rotation to star 24. He got a good look at what the Show is like and now will have a good idea on what he needs to do Tom succeed in the show. His job now is to work on the things he needs to a work like heck to complete for a job starting next February and March in mini camps and ST.
He had a no-hitter through 5 innings his last time out. Ended up 6 IP 2 ER and 2H.
As I typed that, I forgot about his one good start. Good catch. Still, he looks worse than Mitch did when he debuted. I’m not ready to write him off, but if he’s gifted a spot in the rotation next year after what he showed in 2023, I have reservations about how serious they are about competing.
It looks to me like they are treating Priester as though he is still in the minors and just letting him work on things. For example, last night, he threw 8... 8 total curveballs... his best pitch. He threw 14 changeups, and his changeup was awful. He couldn't get it anywhere near the plate most of the time. So, he did not have the pitch at all, yet Rodriguez kept calling it Also, the pitch calling was terribly predictable... fastball... fastball... fastball... slider... changeup. I mean... it is OK to start a guy off with a breaking pitch once in a while, Despite all of this, he really didn't give up much hard contact.
Whatever the case, he does need to work on his control. He leaves too many pitches over the middle of the plate, and it is hard to sequence a slider or a curve off fastballs that go all over the place. He needs to either find the touch with that changeup or abandon it completely for a cutter ala Keller.
Not sure what they are doing with him at this point. He's gone from 98 IP in 2022 to 158 IP in 2023. Difficult to think he is not physically and emotionally worn out at this point.
I don't put much stock in the whole season-long pitch/inning count. His velocity still looks good. His spin numbers are right where they have been. There are no signs of fatigue.
He has a plan now. He is pitching to contact sinker/slider against righties and four-seam/change occasional curve against lefties.
The problems that I see are that he is afraid to throw his 4-seam up in the zone, which limits his curve to a chase pitch, since it comes in low to mimic the fastball, which is down in the zone. To throw the curve for strikes and get guys looking, he is going to have to work that 4-seamer up somehow, so they freeze on the curve thinking it might be a fastball up. Unless he can do that and get his changeup or cutter working, he is going to continue to have some problems with lefties. Against righties, he is going to have to work his 2-seamer down more to get more chases on his slider. Right now, he is just leaving too many sinkers over the middle of the plate. It is actually a pretty good sinker, because he is getting a lot of soft contact on center cut sinkers. If only he could get it down a bit.