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1979andCounting's avatar

Just had to bring up Stephenson didn't you? I hated that trade. But pitching coach matters. In one day Kyle Snider suggests a grip change on his slider allowing him to throw it harder.....and the same day he was throwing it super effectively. The Rays are just ecstatic

with the success he had. Became almost unhittable! Put this in the Glasnow, Cole, Morton silo.

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Shawn Inlow's avatar

Uuuuuugh. That is hard to read, man.

I think I get the article but the numbers just don't mean anything to me.

My Understanding+ has a staggering +42 WTF, which is probably lowest on this message board, which has a SABER RATING off the charts.

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Aurorus Borealus's avatar

He is a free agent. The Pirates could try to resign him, but I think both he and the Rays want to stay together.

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Scott Kliesen's avatar

Glad to hear Nicholas grades out so well, because he certainly passes the eye test. I figure he either him or Jones is going to be Bednar’s heir apparent in a year or two.

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WTM's avatar

Safe bet the FO is looking at this data, or similar, hence the surprise callup for Stratton.

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NolaJeffy(BnP)'s avatar

Furthermore the surprise, "Wow, he actually looks good". Watching him in minors, he was generally another case of when he's around the plate, he's good. Unfortunately he was rarely around the plate.

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WTM's avatar

Apparently around midseason this year Bob finally sprung for a GPS.

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JT412's avatar

we’ve found our reclamation project

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Scott Kliesen's avatar

Gotta disagree.

If BC wants to compete next year, makes more sense to trade from prospect depth than MLB depth.

I’d be much more comfortable dealing away someone like Barco or Harrington plus Nick G/Peggy/Bae than Holderman plus one of those guys.

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Scott Kliesen's avatar

Your source for your claim?

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Scott Kliesen's avatar

Ok thanks.

I’m not convinced this is a definitive source for player value. However I am convinced Holderman has more trade value than Barco and Harrington.

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bmcferren's avatar

yes Holderman has an immediate replacement in MLod

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WTM's avatar

Why not keep all these guys and have a good, deep bullpen?

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bmcferren's avatar

while Holderman certainly has a reputation and has done some great things like that immaculate inning, he also has experienced mental farts and dainty injuries

despite that, his hype is still high so it wouldnt be the worst idea to sell high on him

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NolaJeffy(BnP)'s avatar

I wouldn't be against it. I personally don't want him in the 8th inning role, and would prefer he became the new Jared Hughes. GB specialist when you need a double play

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bmcferren's avatar

I have more trust in MLod than Holderman

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