He is throwing harder than previously, but I can't speak to it's currently looking shape as I didn't actually see him pitch. I will say it has been an issue in the past, as he hasn't been a big strikeout guy. Command also isn't always on point.
IIRC, he'd tap 94-95, but sat more low 90's. Chances are he's a full-time reliever now, unless *knocks on wood* there's a run of injuries. So he should sustain the high 90's.
These Triolo comments have been hysterical…The dude is a good ball player but still has A TON to prove, particularly with the bat. Watch him swing, he epitomizes “punch and judy”, nothing but arms. Odd thing is, you typically offset the lack of power with high-contact, but he’s still striking out around 30% of the time with an above average swinging strike rate. Is he truly anomalous, this unicorn who defies data, or are we optimistically trying to spin a narrative here?
I think a lot of it is ppl like me that just see the surface things, and don’t dig into the makeup of the numbers, don’t account for age-at-level, and either don’t follow or don’t understand some of the data/metrics.
From the surface he’s just a guy that won MiLB gold glove as an infielder, who put up same home run and stolen base counting stats as Ke in about 2/3 as many at bats and slightly out-OPS’d him as far as average type stats go.
Meant to say 2/3 as many MiLB at bats — was trying to fix it and hit submit by accident, and can’t find an edit button.
In any case, that explains why unsophisticated fans (like me) just get curious about why one is considered a franchise cornerstone type and the other guy ppl debate if he’s good enough to even be a regular in a not-real-good lineup/roster. Not arguing or blowing a horn, just explaining something that makes me go “hmm…” 🙂
Edit button is at the bottom right of your post...click on the 3 dots or ellipsis.
Triolo is only a year younger than Hayes. Triolo's age 23 season was in A+ ball, Hayes was in the majors. Hayes has much higher exit velos than Triolo.
Thanks. Except I can only see share, hide and delete as my three options when I hit the dots 🤷♂️. Maybe I’m missing something, idk.
And yes, the EV thing makes a lot of sense. Ke was mentioned, I remember, as making a lot of loud contact through the minors, just major launch angle issue. Which, I suppose, is probably more potentially fixable than “can’t hit the ball hard”
Another thing I love about Jared Triolo, Destroyer of Narratives...
There's a certain type of fan who is absolutely sure of themselves that a cabal of nerds exists across baseball that're to blame for the current offensive environment by preaching a combination of overly patient, grip and rip, power-at-all-cost hitting approach.
Then comes Triolo, who could not be described as any of those things even in your wildest fever dream, and he still strikes out in almost a third of his attempts.
Why?
Because the modern major league pitcher is that f*cking filthy. Our wee lil monkey brains cannot keep up with the sheer physics of what hitters are asked to do.
teams could easily string together 3-4 base hits to produce one run, they just *choose* to swing for the fences. Trust me, this is how it worked on my Legion ball team 30 years ago.
I'd probably start him at the keystone at this point in time. Let peggy get everyday reps in Indy and see how he performs. Once they adjusted to him last year, he didn't counter well at all. I believe getting reps in the minors would behoove him.
Jared Triolo is a defensive wizard who can step into the 3B and 2B positions and play them as well or better (at 2B) than the players we will start at those positions. I think he could also do that at SS, but he has not had much play at that position, nor do I expect he will, due to the presence of Oneil Cruz or Liover Peguero. When Cruz is given a break from defensive play, Peguero will move to SS and Triolo will play 2B.
With the bat, I have seen a lot of different set-ups and swings from guys who do really well regardless of how different from the norm they may appear. And, I have seen guys who look exactly like they SHOULD be able to hit, not be able to do so because they do not see the ball all the way to the bat.
We need to temper our expectations with him. ZIPS has him at .245/.321/.348. That’s probably a fair prediction. Agree he’s probably going to need to cut down on the K’s, or add some power to be useful with the bat.
I'm sure that Bednar was not dealing with the lat problem when we signed Chapman, but I recall posting at the time that the first thing I thought about with the surprise signing was 'oh-oh, something's wrong with Bednar'.
I hope is not like last year, the team seemed to have good pitching (starter) depth and then Brubaker, Burrows, Velasquez were lost to injuries and Contreras, Ortiz and Priester stunk. This year the bullpen seems to be a strength…..
Probably see some more injuries with Shelton leaving guys in for too many pitches who are struggling to throw strikes like it's July and he only has a 12 or 13 man pitching staff instead of ST and he has 30 guys available. It alarms me when a manager tells the press he took them out as soon as he noticed the guys arm fell off, lol.
The combined stats of Keller, Gonzalez, Perez, Roansy, and Falter are:
17 IP
25 H
9 BB
14 K
2.00 WHIP
If you separate out Gonzales and Falter, who’d be AAA depth for a major league team, this would look different.
Spring Training stats for SP’s who are assured a spot in rotation are even more meaningless than the Rule 5 draft.
The problem is that some of these guys are assured a spot ;)
So much for the end of "scholarships", as promised by Derek four years ago.
Only 3 of 5 he listed are assured spots in rotation. Plus it’s SSS data. No reasonable person would come to any conclusions from these statistics.
Of course you’re assuming anyone here is reasonable!
SKENES GOES VROOM VROOM
Meis goes VROOOM VROOM...when did he ever throw that hard? Alas, how wuz the shape?
He is throwing harder than previously, but I can't speak to it's currently looking shape as I didn't actually see him pitch. I will say it has been an issue in the past, as he hasn't been a big strikeout guy. Command also isn't always on point.
Yeah, I thought he sat low 90's?
IIRC, he'd tap 94-95, but sat more low 90's. Chances are he's a full-time reliever now, unless *knocks on wood* there's a run of injuries. So he should sustain the high 90's.
These Triolo comments have been hysterical…The dude is a good ball player but still has A TON to prove, particularly with the bat. Watch him swing, he epitomizes “punch and judy”, nothing but arms. Odd thing is, you typically offset the lack of power with high-contact, but he’s still striking out around 30% of the time with an above average swinging strike rate. Is he truly anomalous, this unicorn who defies data, or are we optimistically trying to spin a narrative here?
I think a lot of it is ppl like me that just see the surface things, and don’t dig into the makeup of the numbers, don’t account for age-at-level, and either don’t follow or don’t understand some of the data/metrics.
From the surface he’s just a guy that won MiLB gold glove as an infielder, who put up same home run and stolen base counting stats as Ke in about 2/3 as many at bats and slightly out-OPS’d him as far as average type stats go.
Meant to say 2/3 as many MiLB at bats — was trying to fix it and hit submit by accident, and can’t find an edit button.
In any case, that explains why unsophisticated fans (like me) just get curious about why one is considered a franchise cornerstone type and the other guy ppl debate if he’s good enough to even be a regular in a not-real-good lineup/roster. Not arguing or blowing a horn, just explaining something that makes me go “hmm…” 🙂
Edit button is at the bottom right of your post...click on the 3 dots or ellipsis.
Triolo is only a year younger than Hayes. Triolo's age 23 season was in A+ ball, Hayes was in the majors. Hayes has much higher exit velos than Triolo.
Thanks. Except I can only see share, hide and delete as my three options when I hit the dots 🤷♂️. Maybe I’m missing something, idk.
And yes, the EV thing makes a lot of sense. Ke was mentioned, I remember, as making a lot of loud contact through the minors, just major launch angle issue. Which, I suppose, is probably more potentially fixable than “can’t hit the ball hard”
lol, forgot that the term isn’t ‘blowing a horn’…it’s “pounding the table” 😁
Need to learn that strikethrough ‘fixed it for ya’ thingy ppl do 😋
Another thing I love about Jared Triolo, Destroyer of Narratives...
There's a certain type of fan who is absolutely sure of themselves that a cabal of nerds exists across baseball that're to blame for the current offensive environment by preaching a combination of overly patient, grip and rip, power-at-all-cost hitting approach.
Then comes Triolo, who could not be described as any of those things even in your wildest fever dream, and he still strikes out in almost a third of his attempts.
Why?
Because the modern major league pitcher is that f*cking filthy. Our wee lil monkey brains cannot keep up with the sheer physics of what hitters are asked to do.
I liked this post for two reasons, using the made up word “that’re” and saying we have “lil monkey brains.”
Well played Sir.
Pitching ninja destroyed the argument for the ‘see ball, hit ball’ crowd but they still try their best lol
teams could easily string together 3-4 base hits to produce one run, they just *choose* to swing for the fences. Trust me, this is how it worked on my Legion ball team 30 years ago.
It's like politics. Jared Triolo is a canvas upon which we paint our own ideological leanings.
Adam Frazier crawled so that Jared Triolo can run.
I'm reading multiple times per day of how he should be the starter @ 1b.
He would lose all value to the team playing 1b regularly.
I'm guessing with him being bounced around the dirt, sans 1b, he'll be utility.
Agreed. He doesn’t have the bat to profile there. If he’s gonna win a job, it’ll be 2B.
I'd probably start him at the keystone at this point in time. Let peggy get everyday reps in Indy and see how he performs. Once they adjusted to him last year, he didn't counter well at all. I believe getting reps in the minors would behoove him.
Agree. I think Peggy is a higher ceiling player, but there’s some rough edges he needs to try to sand dahhhnn. And behoove is a wonderful word.
Jared Triolo is a defensive wizard who can step into the 3B and 2B positions and play them as well or better (at 2B) than the players we will start at those positions. I think he could also do that at SS, but he has not had much play at that position, nor do I expect he will, due to the presence of Oneil Cruz or Liover Peguero. When Cruz is given a break from defensive play, Peguero will move to SS and Triolo will play 2B.
With the bat, I have seen a lot of different set-ups and swings from guys who do really well regardless of how different from the norm they may appear. And, I have seen guys who look exactly like they SHOULD be able to hit, not be able to do so because they do not see the ball all the way to the bat.
He's a ballplayer - just that simple!
I don’t think Triolo should report to Pittsburgh. Instead, just go straight to Cooperstown!
Mel, I love the enthusiasm. However, I'm beginning to question, if you are Greg Brown.
BTW, I'm a huge Greg Brown fan.
We need to temper our expectations with him. ZIPS has him at .245/.321/.348. That’s probably a fair prediction. Agree he’s probably going to need to cut down on the K’s, or add some power to be useful with the bat.
You temper enthusiasm, I’m in the Hope Springs Eternal camp!
And so the inevitable injuries begin.
I'm sure that Bednar was not dealing with the lat problem when we signed Chapman, but I recall posting at the time that the first thing I thought about with the surprise signing was 'oh-oh, something's wrong with Bednar'.
I hope is not like last year, the team seemed to have good pitching (starter) depth and then Brubaker, Burrows, Velasquez were lost to injuries and Contreras, Ortiz and Priester stunk. This year the bullpen seems to be a strength…..
Probably see some more injuries with Shelton leaving guys in for too many pitches who are struggling to throw strikes like it's July and he only has a 12 or 13 man pitching staff instead of ST and he has 30 guys available. It alarms me when a manager tells the press he took them out as soon as he noticed the guys arm fell off, lol.