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AdministrativeSky236's avatar

Cheng up and triolo to the IL feels roughly net neutral to me, so at least theres that? Maybe cheng can find his way on and swipe some bags as a form of offense

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MWT's avatar

Cheng probably won’t play, but he can’t hit… so he might play.

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WTM's avatar

Then again, he can catch the ball, so he probably won't.

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MWT's avatar

Prospect depth in the upper minors is looking… bleak. Probably should change course from the “undersized utility” types.

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WTM's avatar

Gotta keep these guys healthy now or we get Alika back.

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JRC21's avatar

A really lousy time for Yorke to be on the DL. Otherwise he certainly would have gotten the call.

The total lack of depth is remarkable.

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Melkel's avatar

The pirates are calling up Cheng

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StatsCbl's avatar

I would have thought Nick Solak might be next in line, but it will be fun to see how Cheng does.

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MWT's avatar

He’s already on the 40 man. Solak isn’t. Plus ability to play short I’d imagine is appealing.

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WTM's avatar

Yeah, Plans B and C at short, Triolo and Nick, are on IL.

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StatsCbl's avatar

Very good. Thanks for that info. Makes sense. I like it now.

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Catch22's avatar

damn!

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WTM's avatar

Cheng up, Triolo to IL.

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WTM's avatar

I know there's a sharp divergence of opinion on IKF's defense (personally I think he's roughly average), but I'm hoping Cheng will get some action at short, not second. He's not a big highlight-reel guy. More like Clint Barmes, just makes all the plays.

Unfortunately, upper level pitchers have been knocking the bat out of his hands.

Liover Peguero, meanwhile, takes a step closer to dfa territory.

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1979andCounting's avatar

Barmes, Newman.......very acceptable.

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Aurorus Borealus's avatar

Either would be an upgrade to the current roster: Newman a significant upgrade.

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Catch22's avatar

I'd love to see Cheng at SS batting 9th tonight. Play IKF at 2b and batting 8th.

Writing certainly appears to be on the wall for Peguero.

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JRC21's avatar

Totally forgot about Peguero. That’s sad.

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Aurorus Borealus's avatar

This would improve the Pirates across the board, even if every fastball knocks the bat out of Cheng's hands, he would not be much worse at the plate than Frazier. Better infield defense... no loss of hitting.

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Slider71's avatar

Bad time for Yorke to get hurt

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pskell02's avatar

When did that happen and what's wrong with him?

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WTM's avatar

Yep

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1979andCounting's avatar

https://calltothepen.com/david-bednar-demotion-is-further-proof-modern-bullpen-strategy-is-failing-relievers

Timely, good read about closers! Contrary to author, the 9th inning is not mythology. See Ryan Borucki and hundreds of others who don't have either the stuff or the "go for the throat" makeup.

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TNBucs's avatar

It was predictable that Borucki would try too hard to get his first save. He might be fine in the future, but yesterday Shelton should have had a shorter leash. Giving Borucki his first opportunity in a game with a 3-run lead made a lot of sense. But, Shelton needed to ber ready to make a move once the tying run came to bat, let alone when the tying run was in scoring position.

Hopefully Borucki will get another chance.

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StatsCbl's avatar

It is like when Bednar and Holderman were both one game away from being demoted to the minors, he put them both in key situations with the game on the line. How about let's try to win the game (rather than trying to justify to everyone why you are sending them down.)

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1979andCounting's avatar

How and why Shelton let him face Gresham is unconscionable. Just 24 hours earlier

Gresham hit 2 HRs off a lefty (Falter). Even Greg Brown knew Gresham's reverse splits.

I think this may be Shelton's last year......finger's crossed.

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Aurorus Borealus's avatar

Grisham might be the most underrated player in baseball. Everyone looks at his .195 career BA and disregards that he is a premier defender, hits a pile of HRs, and gets on base a good bit.

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Dejan Copacetic's avatar

Established closers have "it" until they don't and other relievers don't have "it" until they do.

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1979andCounting's avatar

From Mariano to Kimbrel to Chapman, you have to have an out pitch in order to pitch the 9th. And a little intimidation factor never hurt.

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Aurorus Borealus's avatar

Carlos Estevez would like a word.

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1979andCounting's avatar

He throws a FB and slider. Slider looks to be his out pitch.

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Aurorus Borealus's avatar

He generates some Ks, but is mostly a guy who tries to generate soft contact and avoid barrels.

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Aurorus Borealus's avatar

Watch the postseason. Most teams use their best relievers either as firemen or against the other team's best hitters, regardless of inning. Think Alvarado coming in 2 years ago ang giving up the big HR in the 6th inning. The only exception that I can of in recent years was the Rangers 2 years ago, and they only had 3 reliable relievers. Everyone in baseball knows that the whole "closer" thing is just a mythological construct, but they cling to it for some reason in the regular season. In my opinion because assigning innings to relief pitchers absolves the manager of responsibility for bullpen management.. "So and so has the 8th. He didn't execute. Not my fault for putting a right-handed fastball-heavy pitcher in against a group of power-hitting lefties who feast on fastballs."

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NolaJeffy(BnP)'s avatar

A further thought on the Priester trade. I think the Brewers may have also paid a premium given the Sox scrapped his FF, showcasing further how effective his sinker was, which could be very useful in Milwaukee

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Catch22's avatar

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/what-can-peter-paul-and-mary-teach-us-about-roster-construction/

excellent article. Pirates don't play the washed-up vet aka puffs as much as some think.

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Catch22's avatar

reads rest of article and the Pirates are projected to have the most puffs in 2025

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NolaJeffy(BnP)'s avatar

Hahaha I was just about to say something about that

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NolaJeffy(BnP)'s avatar

But also, I'd consider someone like Vanmeter a puff, even though he JUST turned 30

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Catch22's avatar

JVM was only 27 when he played for the Pirates

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NolaJeffy(BnP)'s avatar

27 year old puff

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Catch22's avatar

27 year old pud

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WTM's avatar

Did a double take when I first saw it. But given his motion, not so shocking.

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Shawn Inlow's avatar

Hey you guys.

It's National Beaver Day!!!!

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12818328/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_7_nm_1_in_0_q_Hundreds%2520

(link is G-rated and very funny about one of my favorite recent films, "Hundreds of Beavers.")

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"Please Jauques! Not THIS one!"

-Wabbit

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HeyFred's avatar

It's a silly damn movie, and I enjoyed it a great deal.

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NMR's avatar

My fellow statcast nerds, assistance requested for my failing memory...which Pirate affiliates get the treatment and how do you filter into their games?

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NolaJeffy(BnP)'s avatar

Bradenton and Indy. When you go to scoreboard, "MLB" will be hyperlinked, you click that and then can select other levels.

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NMR's avatar

you da man

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NMR's avatar

Am I completely dreaming that Oneil looked immediately competent last season after getting thrown out in CF?

Whatever the hell is going on out there this year is genuinely surprising to me.

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1979andCounting's avatar

Some resemblance to Marte going back towards the wall. Hard time judging if catchable or playable off the wall. Idk if Marte ever improved in that area! It's going to be a rollercoaster for Cruz too.

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Catch22's avatar

He looked good last year. He looks like one of the very worst CF defenders I've seen on an MLB diamond.

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Dejan Copacetic's avatar

The minor league off day on Monday is such a curse for those of us wishing for afternoon baseball to help pass the work day. :(

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JT412's avatar

Red Sox trade Quinn Priester to the Brewers for a 19 y/o OF prospect (their #7) and a Competitive Balance A pick.

Would we prefer this return to Nick Yorke?

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Catch22's avatar

Seems like a fairly large return for Quinn Priester

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AdministrativeSky236's avatar

Personally I’d prefer Yorke. I still really think he’s got upside that for unknown reasons we aren’t exploring

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Dejan Copacetic's avatar

The reason is that 37 year old Tommy Pham and 33 year old Adam Frazier have untapped potential and the Pirates of all teams are going to be the ones to unlock it

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WTM's avatar

Need to know the PTBNL. Real prospect or lottery guy? Yophery Rodriguez in a way looks similar to Yorke, decent but not overwhelming ceiling. Yorke has done it higher up, though, so he'd be more valuable, at least enough to offset the Comp A pick, maybe. Of course, Yophery isn't stuck in an org. that prefers a washed-up Adam Frazier.

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Arky Wags's avatar

I believe the correct term is “warshed up.”

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WTM's avatar

Or, if you're a Pirate fan, "hosed."

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HeyFred's avatar

And the brewers aren't in a strong bargaining position. Almost all of their starting pitchers are hurt. I'm fine with the red sox soaking them in this deal.

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NMR's avatar

Zander Mueth with 5 earned off 3 hits and no walks, little league-ass line.

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WTM's avatar

Well, he plunked three, and somebody else let the last two score.

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NMR's avatar
Apr 7Edited

bingo. you don't see that line on major league games, although our 2025 Pirates might prove me wrong.

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WTM's avatar

Thing stuck my reply up top

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1979andCounting's avatar

Did not have Heaney being our stopper, nor Pham with game-winning hit on the bingo card. Baseball is such a great game.

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HeyFred's avatar

Heaney was indeed fantastic yesterday and I'm happy to eat a small sample size of crow for my earlier negative comments about the soft-tossing nibbler. A much needed high-quality start for the rotation.

Now let's find a "closer" who can actually shut the door and finish games.

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