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WTM's avatar

Pirates won arb case with Santana. Nuttin just wins and wins!

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StatsCbl's avatar

I love the list of coaches and will have this accessible at spring training practices in Bradenton. Just curious if anyone knows what percent of these minor league coaches work with the big league guys at practices.

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AdministrativeSky236's avatar

Today’s hot take is that if we were to trade for Robert jr (pipe dream I know), then we win the division

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PirateRican21's avatar

You might remember my summer of Robert and Kurtz crusade I embarked on last year…..ended with DeLaCruz and Griffin. Hope yours comes true, Robert is a risky, dangerous gamble if they traded for him, but I’m for it!

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Dave's avatar

We have enough risky players already. Kiner-Falefa, Jack, Davis, Hayes….ect

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PirateRican21's avatar

I was thinking about last year’s team, if Santana was signed instead of Tellez and Suwinski, Hayes and Bednar put up numbers similar to the previous year this team would’ve been a .500 team, especially if you consider that Jack was gonna play LF moving BRey to RF. But they were too many collapses, sadly here we are again essentially betting on the same guys.

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Bianco599's avatar

I lump in in with Eloy Jimenez. Fairly or not they both seemed hyped up with horrible hammies. But I'd take him. Luke warm hype currently is more exciting than weak hitting MIF.

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bmcferren's avatar

With Robert’s injury risk, it seems like the appropriate return for him would be three talented pitchers coming off arm injuries: Ashcroft, Oviedo and Moreta

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StatsCbl's avatar

I was thinking as bad as they were last year, they would want to get younger players for their rebuild. My guess is they would be pushing hard for Termarr and we could throw in a couple top 30 long-shots like Solometo and someone else.

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StatsCbl's avatar

My Sox friends would trade him in a heartbeat now in the right deal. Six years ago they were talking about how he could better than a Trout as a 5-tool player. They have only seen one season where he played over 100 games. Last year, I'm not sure he displayed any of the 5 tools to go along with his .657 ops. Not to mention they said he had a lazy attitude.

Now that I ripped him apart, those are all reasons why he is attainable by the Pirates and it might not cost an arm and a leg. His 2023 season he was a beast.

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AdministrativeSky236's avatar

Not that we are a powerhouse org by any means but I wonder if he might be reinvigorated by getting out of the Sox organization as well.

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StatsCbl's avatar

The main question is who is going to do that for him. I am pretty sure it is not going to be Shelton. I think we have players now that have that kind of energy to get Robert to buy in, BUT ONLY IF THEY ARE GOOD. Henry Davis, Endy Rodriguez, Billy Cook, Kiner-Falefa all play with a lot of energy that can be contagious to a team, but it doesn't work if you hit .180 Austin Hedges style.

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NMR's avatar

I think he's a mercurial hitter mostly because he's a Javy Baez-level hacker. Terrible plate discipline. It's a no for me, dawg.

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TNBucs's avatar

Add Cease and I'd agree. It seems so simple, just two trades and this offseason goes from being very meh and leaving questions about their commitment to winning to being quite exciting and leaving no doubt about that commitment. Just two moves. But I'm not expecting even one.

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StatsCbl's avatar

Trading for those guys is probably not the issue. It is upping your payroll the next 2 years by about 40% or whatever it might be. The fact that the Pirates upped their payroll during their last window, I think most of us expected them to do it again this time.

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HeyFred's avatar

More from 'Baseball Wit and Wisdom', as I drink beer in Spain for a couple more days before returning home for the non-baseball stretch run to spring training:

"I ain't ever had a real job. I always played baseball."

-- Satchel Paige, to the envy of all of us.

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Bianco599's avatar

Drink one for me. And a sangria for me lady

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